Dating randall knives

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The Knife Network Forums: The following is a thesis. However, I've become confident enough that I find myself using the information I thought I would share for discussion. I think I? This "forge-date" does not indicate when the blades were finished into knives, sheathed and sold, only when they were hot stamped with the Randall Made, Orlando, FLA trademark.

Please examine these three groups of pictures of blade stamps. In this last picture is one anomaly. It is a stamp on a blade that is earlier than the date of the sheath and other knife characteristics. From earliest, the Randall stamp on the blade remained seemingly unchanged. About mid-late? The comma between Orlando and FLA was reduced in height, a small space was introduced between the comma and FLA, and because of that, the?

Here is a summary picture of stamps that overlap the apparent change. Last edited by Jacknola; at Good eye, Jack! You're a breath of fresh air for Randall collectors. I checked my stamps against your transition period and they align with your thesis. Note that I have an eighties with the small stamp and the "O" in Orlando is indented below the "R" in Randall just like the pre regular stamp.

Best, Ron. Hey Ron But I've decided that it has enough truth to at least start a conversation. Thing is, I see no evidence that once the new blade stamp was introduced the other continued to be used. This means that there is a definite, absolute date down to specific day that marks when this new stamp began to be used. We just do not know when that was Interestingly, there are a number of knives that have the later stamp in earlier sheaths I've used this stamp change when evaluating old brown-button era Viet knives.

Thanks for the kind words, Jack. I would hope that all RMK collector's would read your finding's and keep an open mind.. Great work Going through many of the books that have extensive published pictures of dated knives, I think I can sharpen the date the stamp change occurred. It now appears that use of the new stamp began in early The only kicker?

As a result, I usally look for documented knives, few though they may be. Thanks for the kind words. Despite the voluminous postings, my contributions represent relatively modest amount of focused research, mostly simple compiling and description, which is basic to any system. I've been a little surprised to find how little of this had been done in the world of Randall collecting Some of the stuff about sheaths just evolved as a result of conversation, especially with Ron who is actually the god-father of the brown button solution.

The stamp issue here grew out of comments and posts about the flood of fake Randalls. Collectors of anything tend to be a conservative group, with high regard for Taking on a long-held belief requires patience.. In the world of oriental rug collecting, the intellectual battles over the use of camel wool in persian rugs was pretty epic. A huge number of important collectors, authors, commentators including camel-wool industry personnel, absolutely believed it was common, and many collector-quality rugs were sold with that description.

It all was circular scholorship That fact has become pretty much accepted and you now see the description "camel ground" instead of "camel wool", "ground" being shorthand for color. But I had more credibility and time in that field than this one. Hi Jack! Once again you have out done yourself with your fine research and keen analytic skills, this time with regard to the blade stamps. As a collector of the Modern era of RMK, I am in no position to add anything but encouragement to your efforts to further clarify the difficult process of attempting to date the earlier Randalls.

However, I wish those who do collect the older knives would offer their opinions and knowledge to the discussion. Unlike Ron, it appears that these folks are unwilling to share their expertise on this forum. I hope that folks would put whatever petty quarrels, old grudges and misconceptions they may have, and would cease to be intimidated from participating here. I can only repeat that this forum remains a place where everyone is welcome to participate.

Moose, there probably isn't that much to discuss, other than date of the stamp change. The change in stamp is pretty un-refutable. Found pic model 1 with last varient of brown macarta, late 'early '66 with "newer" stamp. Start of '66 is as good a date as any for change.. The beautiful package above was the catalyst for publishing the use of the stamp change to identify age. The combination above has a pre brown button sheath with a knife that is post?

This is an example of the value of recognizing the date of the stamp change for those collectors who are most interested in the Vietnam era. As far as the date of the stamp change, I think we can get to a pretty precise date even without knife documentation. But there are some caveats, the most important being the reliability of conventional dating techniques. Thanks to Rod, we can be sure that all the "low S" stainless knives had the? The change to the?

But of course that period spanned several years. We can do better. Below are three pictures scanned from Sheldon? The first is a model 17 Astro that he says is closely dated to late It has the? The next two knives have the? The first is a model 5 with what he identifies as the last phase of brown Micarta that he attributes to first half of The second knife is a 7-spacer model 19 that he identifies as having a blade grind unique to late If the dating in Sheldon's book is correct, then early?

What is remarkable is how the "new" stamp was used seemingly across the board. All models, even bowies exhibited the font geometry change about this time. Here is an update on blade stamps used to help date Viet era knives. It is a continuation of previous posts. Concerning the the start of stamping continuing through the Vietnam era, it has already been noted that in about the font geometry of the blade stamp changed.

So if one is looking at a knife from the Vietnam era say Type 1 has been described in detail previously as the stamp font used from the start of the Randall stamping until Type 2 was used apparently concurrently with Type 1 from about , or even possibly as early as , or so time has not been fully defined to about late Most SS marked blades have this type stamp, but not all.

Type 3 has already been noted as the stamp geometry adopted post early The type 2 and type 3 stamps have some similarities and it is important to be able to recognize the difference between the two Type 1, used prior to has been previously discussed. Here are three group pictures, one sub picture has red lines noting the significant alignments: The vertical line of the? Note the type 1 stamp is pictured on an SS knife, low S knife and a separate S knife.

For what it is worth, almost every low S knife I? So far, about 20 percent of the separate S knives have this geometry. Dated knfe , type 1 stamp Type 3: The differences between the pre type 1 and the post type 3 stamp have been previously discussed. For reference, here are some pictures of type 3 stamps including one with red marks showing the key elements of the geometry.

Note the leg of the? At first glance it looks somewhat like a Type 3 stamp because the leg of the "F" is beneath the middle of the "M". But that is pretty much the only point in common. The first? The comma is smaller than in the type 1 and located just inside the first leg of the "M" and there is not very much of a space between it and the "F". The type 2 stamp was apparently used for a majority of the SS stamped blades that I've seen, but also for a few other blades and appears on some knives documented to as early as about possibly late s, but certainly by But just not very many compared to the type 1.

For some reason, this stamp seems to have disappeared completely shortly after the advent of the?

I?ve been looking at the stamps on the blades of old Randall knives, pre I think I?ve noticed something that will help date knives that. Discover ideas about Knives And Swords. Dating old Randall blades by blade stamp - The Knife Network Forums: Knife Making Discussions. Knives And.

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In the line dedicated to Model 1 APFK, I noted a certain knife was dated later than its accompanying sheath based on the stamp on the blade.

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The Knife Network Forums: The following is a thesis. However, I've become confident enough that I find myself using the information I thought I would share for discussion. I think I? This "forge-date" does not indicate when the blades were finished into knives, sheathed and sold, only when they were hot stamped with the Randall Made, Orlando, FLA trademark. Please examine these three groups of pictures of blade stamps. In this last picture is one anomaly. It is a stamp on a blade that is earlier than the date of the sheath and other knife characteristics. From earliest, the Randall stamp on the blade remained seemingly unchanged. About mid-late? The comma between Orlando and FLA was reduced in height, a small space was introduced between the comma and FLA, and because of that, the?

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Rhett asked me to write an article about dating Randall Made Knives. This was brought to fruition due to one of the topics discussed during the Randall Knife Society meeting at the Blade Show in Atlanta this year. Several members expressed their dismay at the egregious manner at which certain individuals have been basically dishonest in taking advantage of the less experienced collector. This being the case of trying to have a knife appear older than it is, and outside of putting an older style stone another trick in the pocket of a newer knife, simply leave it out! I hope some of this information will be of use to you.

A must for any knife collector. The CD provides an excellent and quick tool for the identification and dating of Randall made knives as well as information on the sheaths and related background. The built in newsletter search functions quickly locates desired information and the catalogs provide detailed pictures from the very beginning of the Randall saga. For the first time, Robert Gaddis, author of "Randall Made Knives" has provided a detailed chronology of all the Randall knife catalogs. Special search functions are built in to allow finding information via a Table of Contents, an Index or any text phrase.

But it should be noted that most of our dealers submit orders consistently every year, so they will receive knives on a regular basis. Unfortunately, we do not have knives available from stock. Demand is generally so great for all models that we normally have many years of pre-orders. Randall knife order limit is one knife every three months per household. The limit on extra features that may be ordered on a knife has been set to five chargeable features. Beginning November 1, , the extra feature limit is five chargeable features. Your cooperation with the limits are greatly appreciated.

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